So i had a date today with matt.
We went bowling since God literally rained on our minigolf plans.
And then we sat in my car for like an hour drinking starbucks while i rambled about the hobbit. For an hour. Just nonstop for an hour.
Plot twist: he asked me out on another date after being rambled at about something he’s actually not THAT interested in for an hour while drinking overpriced coffee in a 2001 chevy malibu.
Okay SO, there has been some…friction in the fandom about a certain clip that was released of Thorin promising gold to the men of Lake-town and such, and that it wasn’t in the book and to that I say….
Though it was never explicitly said by Thorin in dialogue, the Master’s farewell heavily implies that an agreement was reached about repayment and shared riches.
There are several instances later in the book where the men of Lake-town are singing about gold and shared riches which again, heavily implies that Thorin made some promises to the men of Lake-town.
So heavy implication = it being actually said in the movie.
There is nothing wrong with Thorin promising them gold because in the book he probably did though there was no dialogue for sure saying he did. And he probably did it with the best of intentions, as in he was going to repay them.
But he went mad. And that is an unavoidable fact, you can’t ignore that he does and then does awful and greedy things. It is literally the moral of the story, to not lose focus on what’s important and to not get greedy.
This addition of him promising them gold is not in any way painting Thorin in a worse light, or making him a bad guy. Thorin is a very, very good dwarf that went through terrible things, and is unfortunately curse with a sickness that runs in his family and he does bad things.
Did he mean his promise to the men of Lake-town both in the book and the movie? I like to think he did when he made the promise.
PJ didn’t ruin anything by adding explicit dialogue of Thorin making promises. He isn’t vilifying Thorin, or making him worse. If anything, it’s going to make it even more clear just how mad Thorin went before the end.
That is all. Those were my thoughts. I can’t stay up and debate with people for reasons. These are my two cents after hearing about some complaints earlier. I don’t really want to debate but hey, it’s the internet. If I had the time and I wasn’t so lazy, I’d find more implications of Thorin promising things in the book. Bleh.
Tl;dr, Thorin actually did make promises in the book (or it was heavily implied that he did), so please stop complaining about PJ, mmkay?
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?? Things ok? Yey? Ney?
things are fine. now i’m just too damn lazy to find the proof of the thing i want to say. bwuh.
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Wanting to talk about a thing
But not wanting the confrontation
Mary Morstan is a character - feel free to hate her all that you want; however, Amanda Abbington is a person, and does not deserve the hate that she’s been receiving. You are sending death threats to an actress that was hired to play a character. The actress has literally nothing to do with the character, besides the fact that they share a face and voice. She is Martin’s partner and we all adore the both of them, and I wouldn’t put it past Martin to consider dropping Sherlock - which he is choosing to be a part of - because his partner is being harassed by the fans of the show.
We love Martin, and we love how he portrays John, we love his and Benedict’s dynamic, and Amanda has always been extremely supportive of the fandom and our completely odd shenanigans, so don’t go chasing after her with pitchforks and torches just because she’s playing a character that is the love interest of one half of our duo.
She’s a real human being, not a fictional one. Just stop.
- An average statement by me in any conversation
Friendly reminder for everyone to please tag “#hobbit spoilers" at least a week after the film premieres so everyone may have a chance to watch it.
Or ya’know you could read the book
Yes, hello there.
These movies are not like the book. I think just about everyone knows what endgame is, the book is, like, 75 years old. That is not the point. The point is that these films are special and decidedly different from the novel. There are some things added, some things omitted, and I think that everyone should get off the “just read the book” mindset because we all have no true idea what’s going to happen in this movie. It doesn’t matter if you read the book or only just watch the movies.
A tolkenite’s #1 rule is “a fan is never late nor are they early, they arrive precisely when they mean to”. So please tag your spoilers, regardless you have read the book or not.